On Indian Governments Interference in Religion

We all know that Religion shouldn’t interfere in the policies of the State and Vice versa in a living functioning democracy.

This rule is seldom followed in India as in most countries

The Indian state is seen to generally interfere / intervene in favor of the orthodoxy of the minority religions like Christianity where it is protectionist and Islam which is a state subsidised religion in India and has a separate set of rules. The treatment metted out to Hinduism and likes be it Sikhism, Jainism and likes is sadly quite astounding.

Im not alone in thinking so, even Sri Sri Ravishankar agrees.

The states eying the large revenues, promulgated legislation favoring takeover of temple trusts to prevent mismanagement by existing trusts. Most Profitable temple trusts are now controlled by the govt and are high revenue earners be it Sabarimala or Siddhi Vinayak or Lord Appaya or Tirupati any other big temple.

One thing is clear, the State has consistently shown that it too can mismanage the funds of the devoted . Many decisions as in case of Shirdi and Siddhivinayak are suspect and done on the recommendations of the Politician trustees , and court cases have been filed.

There is no transparency in decision making and everything is kept secret. Public audits and open books should be the way to go but this is easier said than done in a country where religion is one of the biggest businesses.

It is also alarming to note that the state has even used the funds so collected for subsidising their political goals and motives including the funds to Churches and terrorist maker the Haj Subsidy(a lot of young Muslims are targeted and indoctrinated during Huj something done with full knowledge of the Wahabi Saudi govt). Read the sunday debate.

According to Hindujagruti from an Rti they came to know that on 28th of January, 2006 when an International Temple Summit was called for, the government-run trusts only spoke about turning temples into tourist places! And the amount of money it spent on that two-day summit was a whopping Rs. 24 lakh! Was that necessary? Is Cross subsidisation of other religions using temple trust funds ethical or correct or morally acceptable?

Worse, what business does a communist govt have in managing temples – as in Kerala? Fundamentally they are anti religion and more so anti Hinduism as they have shown time and again. Do they have the right to dictate terms to temple trusts on matters of faith? They have filed an affidavit stating that Sabarimala is a Buddhist Shrine.

Now i have no comments to make regarding whether to allow or disallow the entry to Women of a specific age group to Sabrimala, or the right of temples to bar entry of anyone. I think it is the prerogative of the temple trusts and more importantly the faithful and not that of governments as temples are sacred places and each one has its own rule of maintaining its sanctity not some tourist spots to make money. It would be better to have an entry manual on dos and donts as each temple has its own set of customs.

What im for is proper coordination of muth heads and a pan Indian body say something like the Shankaracharyas and the Muth heads getting together and formulating rules and guidelines on many of these rules and issues and unified decision making mainly so that people are educated and the sanctity of the temple is not disturbed, by locals and tourists and foreigners alike.

On entry of people of other religions or of converts to Hinduism into Puri and other such places , i think the Hindu people of Orissa should decide, and a selective permit should be issued to people say on basis of tests or screenings or past record – as it is there is too much money politics in the priesthood of some big temple trusts including Puri and notes decide how long and how much of a darshan u can have. Infact some foreigners have more respect for and knowledge of the Hindu religion than most Indians politicians and communists.

Why only that, i am even opposed to a paid priority quick special darshan or a free priority darsan to politicians and so called eminent people which gives them undue and undeserved advantage just because they throw a few crores at the temple trusts or are decision makers.

To me an abandoned shivling and tiny ganpati temple atop a desolate visapurgad offers a lot more solace and peace and inner well being than the crowded supertemple like siddhivinayak .

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18 thoughts on “On Indian Governments Interference in Religion

  1. u like to create controversy man….
    //the State has consistently shown that it too can mismanage the funds of the devoted .//
    i have seen the vaishno devi temple being converted from pundit managed to govt managed… and how the funds from the trust helped reconstruction of so many amenities for the pilgrims upliftment of the whole area….
    give me name of a good religious place (non corporate backed) where the pundits managed it better than govt.

  2. //Many decisions as in case of Shirdi and Siddhivinayak are suspect and done on the recommendations of the Politician trustees , and court cases have been filed.//
    file an RTI and find out for yourself

  3. //the Haj Subsidy//
    STOP reading VHP publications (read my today’s post against them)
    the only reason why haj subsidy looks so big is because govt buys tickets tickets from national carriers at double the market price… this subsidy is not for muslims but to keep those carriers afloat.

    if u want to know about goi spending on religion visit Kumbh mela, badrinath, kedarnath and look at the massive govt construction for the pilgrims…
    muslims constitute 12% of the national population and the amount spend over haj is not even 6% of what it spends on hindus (these statistics were created offhand, but should not be too much off the mark)

  4. //To me an abandoned shivling and tiny ganpati temple atop a desolate visapurgad offers a lot more solace and peace and inner well being than the crowded supertemple like siddhivinayak .//
    for me a church gives me more solace…
    i just can’t stand the commotion and the noise of the temples

  5. well people have filed rtis and things have come out in the open on siddhivinayak and shirdi, u dont follow do u

    on churches – they r no better when the mass congregation is held – i agree with u on the non congregation days

    there is a born again mission close bye the racket they make on Sundays is much more terrible – luckily they use a semi closed hall a legacy of British times but i shudder if they did their stuff for 2/3 hrs in open no such luck with an open air tiny temple which also chases the gods away Tuesdays Thursdays with their noise but only for 30 minutes

  6. (non corporate backed)… so is vaishnav devi corporate backed ? then no wonder things have improved a lot …
    because an uncle from the hood had gone there 2/3 yrs back and the facilities offered were terrible and very very bad.

    im not the temple going religious person so forgive me .. i like the babulnath temple though it i think is quite well managed ..
    and the solace and views from there are terrific

    on vhp – yes they have their propaganda but why should they be singled out – most govt press and writers are communist …

    the fact that isi holds indoctrination camps during huj and saudi keep mum and haj is a convenient places of recruitment is documented and monitored by the r&aw ,
    and a pure pious muslim wouldnt back the huj subsidy as huj by nature should bedone through personal savings

    //govt buys tickets tickets from national carriers at double the market price//
    can u substantiate this and there r huge costs involved too house them here and there …

    on kumbh etc these melas / hindu temples generate much larger funds and are tourist destinations too…

  7. //so is vaishnav devi corporate backed ? //
    no it is govt controlled.
    well most big profitable hindu temples r – is the post not mkg it abundantly clear ? what i wanted to ask is r corporates backing its betterment financially

    its like the tirupati of NI… 10-15 years back things were really pathetic and now things r much better. there r rest rooms, sheds, concrete walkways, pony excreta is cleaned promptly and there r more than necessary cafeterias and hotels.

    the fact that even after earning so much the temples are going into decay tirupati was one of the first temples taken over show state of govt mgmt and apathy

    //im not the temple going religious person so forgive me .. //
    same here

    //i like the babulnath temple though it i think is quite well managed ..//
    tell me more its the first time i have heard this name.
    http://www.babulnath.com/about_temple.htm

    //and haj is a convenient places of recruitment is documented and monitored by the r&aw ,//
    how can u have recruitment under the watchful eyes of RAW?

    this seems stupid from ur keyboard – their job is to analyse and seek info through intel
    well they can only monitor it – i dont think india has done anything like covert opps
    and neither do our politicians have the guts – this aint israel even bjp proved to be chickens
    but to be fair they did it to protect a very influencial swiss and aam admis- compared to congis
    track record- have u seen the movie on the mumbai blasts ?

    haj subsidy
    http://indianmuslims.in/haj-subsidy-anyone/
    this is the first result google spit out.. and is good enough
    ok now i can say ur now being colored in ur judgement
    read the whole damn sight – i think they are worse than rss

    kumbh… the expense of UP govt was over 300cr….and all the proceeds went to the pundits and there was no significant collections made by govt

  8. //u dont follow do u//
    i have been there once, and somhow bangalore newspaper did not give it adequate coverage.
    on siddhivinayak
    the fact that a muslim congress politician was on the board was leaked caused an uproar a long time back , plus controversial projects were taken recently favoring local congress and other politicians
    on shirdy
    it was bal thackarey who rubished the idea of making golden throan for the sai baba statuette

    //i agree with u on the non congregation days//
    yups its a habit which i cultivated during my days in the missionary school

    yes they are certainly magestic and lovely – even my mom a devout hindu likes european churches, she is back from hertrip
    the sad things that the christians and muslims have destroyed grand and beautiful temples
    the missionary zeal has ensured that there are more schools and churches clubbed together than temples
    leaving the younger generation with no much clue of grandeur of indian temples

  9. //the fact that even after earning so much the temples are going into decay tirupati was one of the first temples taken over show state of govt mgmt and apathy//
    actually i fail to understand why people donate money to religious institutions. (charity is a different story)

    http://www.babulnath.com/about_temple.htm
    i have to see it next time i land in mumbai to feel its magic.

    //this seems stupid from ur keyboard – their job is to analyse and seek info through intel//
    exactly i feel odd that in spite of knowing everything, they do nothing…..

    //and neither do our politicians have the guts – //
    i heard a lot about cracking down of simi cells. were those also farce?

    //track record- have u seen the movie on the mumbai blasts ?//
    which one?

    //ok now i can say ur now being colored in ur judgement//
    u don’t have to read the entire website… just look at the ticket prices….
    in 90% of the cases the subsidy is farce (fertilizer subsidy is another example)….. it is not meant for the poor but to protect the interest of an influential few.

    //the fact that a muslim congress politician was on the board was leaked caused an uproar a long time back , plus controversial projects were taken recently favoring local congress and other politicians
    on shirdy
    it was bal thackarey who rubished the idea of making golden throan for the sai baba statuette//
    will have to read more about it tomorrow.

    //the sad things that the christians and muslims have destroyed grand and beautiful temples//
    well some of our temples were more as forts… and some of them did even have a standing army. neways its sad, but there is nothing to be gained by holding a drudge.

    //the missionary zeal has ensured that there are more schools and churches clubbed together than temples//
    actually hindu religion has not done enough for the education…. now some trusts r realizing how easy is it to spread ur ideas and thoughts through kids.

    //leaving the younger generation with no much clue of grandeur of indian temples//
    all civilizations rise and fall…
    atleast we are not like the mayans.. they have pyramids all around, but no clue as to who build them and when.

  10. ankur please remember
    simi operates only in india not Saudi arabia or dubai or pakistan , and the intel agencies only offer intel on terrorists
    its the job of police or cbcid to do the deed of arresting them
    and if i remember right the current govt had made a huge hue and cry when the prev govt banned simi …and plus i havent heard much on simi now that the current govt treats them with kid gloves,

    During the UPA rule, a series of terrorist attacks have taken place in the last four years. Among the most dastardly terror acts were the twin blasts that occurred in Mumbai in July 2006, the Diwali-eve terror strikes in October 2005 in the national Capital, the bomb blasts in Hyderabad of August 2007 and the Bangalore bomb blast at the Indian Institute of Science in December 2005. all these terrorist attacks have also occurred in then Congress-ruled states of Maharashtra, Delhi, Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka

    i was talkg abt black friday the movie where some of the conspirators were indoctrinated during haj and their jobs in dubai ..
    dubai / saudi govt is very much influenced by pakistan this from the way d i kaskar got his daughter married there

    just look at the ticket prices….//
    well here u go again .. if so why does the govt do the whole natak ? they can just cut the rate of the air ticket – that post is based on half truth and the ticket price is just the tip of the iceberg more money goes into huj houses and logistics
    why does the subsidy get lapped up year after yr and why r the numbers swelling ?
    tell me why dont the muslim say no to it even when it is haram and given by a kafir govt?

    and worse why does a secular indian like u defend it ?? u argue that the temples were mere forts , now r u an expert??
    fertilizer subsidy and huj subsidy what do they signify the upa is more interested in protecting its own flock and that of minority vote bank – what does this signify ?? u figure

    actually hindu religion has not done enough for the education//
    ur so wrong , we r doctrinated to western education , u especially have a lot of missionary zeal, this is a sweeping statement to make as u don’t consider urself temple going – ask urself how much do u know about sanatan dharma ??

    the current education system has borrowed from arabic or islamic texts to an extent which in turn have borrowed from indian texts or sanskrit prakrit pali texts … plus ur talkg about two diverging schools of thought
    it can be argued that the first test tube baby was dronacharya … now it cant be proved just like u cant prove that jesus was the son of god or god himself

    holding a drudge or grudge
    no one should hold grudges, but essentially human mentality doesnt change and – one must not forget such things, because one must learn from history – or we will end up making the same mistakes in the name of secularism – even nita has written about the eventual decline of hinduism
    something that is too scary to me even though im not the most practicing of them

    the mayans.
    they were destroyed by their own shamans prophecy on the white man and the conquistadores or very destructive spanish conquorers who were also devout christians who loved to build churches after destroying temples
    the remoteness of the places of temples is what saved them else god knows how much more splendor was destroyed by the plunderers
    still reminents – people or mayan origin exist ….i saw something on discov
    some speculate that the places were abandoned after overpopulation and human pressure on land lead to famines and droughts

    history is always written by the winners and isnt essentially correct

  11. i have not seen black friday, but would find out if i could rent a DVD.

    //tell me why dont the muslim say no to it even when it is haram and given by a kafir govt?//
    hey come on, nobody can refuse free money… at least i never would.
    most things r haram , they will make women wear burhkas in humid hot climate – something alean
    to local culture byt accept money

    //now r u an expert??//
    i am not, but just visit any of the big temples and look at their construction. their gates….. their walls.. some of the grand ones were build to outlast a siege.

    how can u say that this is part of classic temple design – the invasion from islamists and christians meant destruction of a lot of temples which was mainly why they started to be defended and to be defended u have to build defences and bar outsiders from entry

    //what does this signify ?? u figure//
    a bulk of the fertilizer subsidy is there because the govt has signed some long term contracts with privt industry. these contracts ensure that no matter at what price the fertilizer is produced, the govt will buy all of the output.

    exactly and whom does it mainly benefit ?- big agriculturists people with 2 crops and irrigated lands – people who are or are close to politicians mainly so net net this leaves a poor section of majority hindus and poor and lmc feeling uncared and unwanted

  12. //the mayans.
    they were destroyed by their own shamans prophecy //
    i was talking about the ancient mayans. (classic mayans wiki link)
    very little is known about them except the great pyramids and temples that they left behind
    whats surprising is that all the construction was done without the aid of any metals….
    the mayans were a war clan or people well versed in war and not taking too easily to foreigners
    the shamen or someone if i remember right had predicted great good from a white man who would come
    and be their savior , the white man was invited and not challanged and first thing the conq spaniards
    did was to capture their king and put a ransom on his head , infact i remember reading about big rooms being
    filled with gold to quench the spanish leaders thirst
    well that is their speciality and it did need a lot of specialty expertise to make such large and heavy structures

  13. Just to let you know that I am loving the duelling 🙂

    me too – i doubt – ankur does too 🙂
    sadly it takes up so much time …
    but hope it enlightens everyone

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